# Frequently Asked Questions

## Is Salt open-core?

No. Salt is 100% committed to being open-source, including all of our APIs. It is developed under the Apache 2.0 license, allowing it to be used in both open and proprietary projects.

To expand on this a little:

There is much argument over the actual definition of "open core". From our standpoint, Salt is open source because

1. It is a standalone product that anyone is free to use.

2. It is developed in the open with contributions accepted from the community for the good of the project.

3. There are no features of Salt itself that are restricted to separate proprietary products distributed by VMware, Inc.

4. Because of our Apache 2.0 license, Salt can be used as the foundation for a project or even a proprietary tool.

5. Our APIs are open and documented (any lack of documentation is an oversight as opposed to an intentional decision by SaltStack the company) and available for use by anyone.

SaltStack the company does make proprietary products which use Salt and its libraries, like company is free to do, but we do so via the APIs, NOT by forking Salt and creating a different, closed-source version of it for paying customers.

## I think I found a bug! What should I do?

The salt-users mailing list as well as the Community Discord can both be helpful resources to confirm if others are seeing the issue and to assist with immediate debugging.

To report a bug to the Salt project, please follow the instructions in reporting a bug.

## What ports should I open on my firewall?

Minions need to be able to connect to the Master on TCP ports 4505 and 4506. Minions do not need any inbound ports open. More detailed information on firewall settings can be found here.

## I'm seeing weird behavior (including but not limited to packages not installing their users properly)

This is often caused by SELinux. Try disabling SELinux or putting it in permissive mode and see if the weird behavior goes away.

## My script runs every time I run a state.apply. Why?

You are probably using `cmd.run` rather than `cmd.wait`. A `cmd.wait` state will only run when there has been a change in a state that it is watching.

A `cmd.run` state will run the corresponding command every time (unless it is prevented from running by the `unless` or `onlyif` arguments).

More details can be found in the documentation for the `cmd` states.

## When I run test.ping, why don't the Minions that aren't responding return anything? Returning `False` would be helpful.

When you run test.ping the Master tells Minions to run commands/functions, and listens for the return data, printing it to the screen when it is received. If it doesn't receive anything back, it doesn't have anything to display for that Minion.

There are a couple options for getting information on Minions that are not responding. One is to use the verbose (`-v`) option when you run salt commands, as it will display "Minion did not return" for any Minions which time out.

    salt -v '*' pkg.install zsh

Another option is to use the `manage.down` runner:

    salt-run manage.down

Also, if the Master is under heavy load, it is possible that the CLI will exit without displaying return data for all targeted Minions. However, this doesn't mean that the Minions did not return; this only means that the Salt CLI timed out waiting for a response. Minions will still send their return data back to the Master once the job completes. If any expected Minions are missing from the CLI output, the `jobs.list_jobs` runner can be used to show the job IDs of the jobs that have been run, and the `jobs.lookup_jid` runner can be used to get the return data for that job.

    salt-run jobs.list_jobs
    salt-run jobs.lookup_jid 20130916125524463507

If you find that you are often missing Minion return data on the CLI, only to find it with the jobs runners, then this may be a sign that the `worker_threads` value may need to be increased in the master config file. Additionally, running your Salt CLI commands with the `-t` option will make Salt wait longer for the return data before the CLI command exits. For instance, the below command will wait up to 60 seconds for the Minions to return:

    salt -t 60 '*' test.ping

## How does Salt determine the Minion's id?

If the Minion id is not configured explicitly (using the `id` parameter), Salt will determine the id based on the hostname. Exactly how this is determined varies a little between operating systems and is described in detail here.

## I'm trying to manage packages/services but I get an error saying that the state is not available. Why?

Salt detects the Minion's operating system and assigns the correct package or service management module based on what is detected. However, for certain custom spins and OS derivatives this detection fails. In cases like this, an issue should be opened on our tracker, with the following information:

1. The output of the following command:

       salt <minion_id> grains.items | grep os

2. The contents of `/etc/lsb-release`, if present on the Minion.

## Why aren't my custom modules/states/etc. available on my Minions?

Custom modules are synced to Minions when `saltutil.sync_modules`, or `saltutil.sync_all` is run.

Similarly, custom states are synced to Minions when `saltutil.sync_states`, or `saltutil.sync_all` is run.

They are both also synced when a highstate is triggered.

As of the 2019.2.0 release, as well as 2017.7.7 and 2018.3.2 in their respective release cycles, the `sync` argument to `state.apply`/`state.sls` can be used to sync custom types when running individual SLS files.

Other custom types (renderers, outputters, etc.) have similar behavior, see the documentation for the `saltutil` module for more information.

This reactor example can be used to automatically sync custom types when the minion connects to the master, to help with this chicken-and-egg issue.

## Module `X` isn't available, even though the shell command it uses is installed. Why?

This is most likely a PATH issue. Did you custom-compile the software which the module requires? RHEL/CentOS/etc. in particular override the root user's path in `/etc/init.d/functions`, setting it to `/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin`, making software installed into `/usr/local/bin` unavailable to Salt when the Minion is started using the initscript. In version 2014.1.0, Salt will have a better solution for these sort of PATH-related issues, but recompiling the software to install it into a location within the PATH should resolve the issue in the meantime. Alternatively, you can create a symbolic link within the PATH using a `file.symlink` state.

    /usr/bin/foo:
      file.symlink:
        - target: /usr/local/bin/foo

## Can I run different versions of Salt on my Master and Minion?

This depends on the versions. In general, it is recommended that Master and Minion versions match.

When upgrading Salt, the master(s) should always be upgraded first. Backwards compatibility for minions running newer versions of salt than their masters is not guaranteed.

Whenever possible, backwards compatibility between new masters and old minions will be preserved. Generally, the only exception to this policy is in case of a security vulnerability.

Recent examples of backwards compatibility breakage include the 0.17.1 release (where all backwards compatibility was broken due to a security fix), and the 2014.1.0 release (which retained compatibility between 2014.1.0 masters and 0.17 minions, but broke compatibility for 2014.1.0 minions and older masters).

## Does Salt support backing up managed files?

Yes. Salt provides an easy to use addition to your file.managed states that allow you to back up files via backup_mode, backup_mode can be configured on a per state basis, or in the minion config (note that if set in the minion config this would simply be the default method to use, you still need to specify that the file should be backed up!).

## Is it possible to deploy a file to a specific minion, without other minions having access to it?

The Salt fileserver does not yet support access control, but it is still possible to do this. As of Salt 2015.5.0, the `file_tree` external pillar is available, and allows the contents of a file to be loaded as Pillar data. This external pillar is capable of assigning Pillar values both to individual minions, and to nodegroups. See the `documentation` for details on how to set this up.

Once the external pillar has been set up, the data can be pushed to a minion via a `file.managed` state, using the `contents_pillar` argument:

    /etc/my_super_secret_file:
      file.managed:
        - user: secret
        - group: secret
        - mode: 600
        - contents_pillar: secret_files:my_super_secret_file

In this example, the source file would be located in a directory called `secret_files` underneath the file_tree path for the minion. The syntax for specifying the pillar variable is the same one used for `pillar.get`, with a colon representing a nested dictionary.

Warning

Deploying binary contents using the `file.managed` state is only supported in Salt 2015.8.4 and newer.

## What is the best way to restart a Salt Minion daemon using Salt after upgrade?

Updating the `salt-minion` package requires a restart of the `salt-minion` service. But restarting the service while in the middle of a state run interrupts the process of the Minion running states and sending results back to the Master. A common way to workaround that is to schedule restarting the Minion service in the background by issuing a `salt-call` command calling `service.restart` function. This prevents the Minion being disconnected from the Master immediately. Otherwise you would get `Minion did not return. [Not connected]` message as the result of a state run.

### Upgrade without automatic restart

Doing the Minion upgrade seems to be a simplest state in your SLS file at first. But the operating systems such as Debian GNU/Linux, Ubuntu and their derivatives start the service after the package installation by default. To prevent this, we need to create policy layer which will prevent the Minion service to restart right after the upgrade:

    {%- if grains['os_family'] == 'Debian' %}

    Disable starting services:
      file.managed:
        - name: /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
        - user: root
        - group: root
        - mode: 0755
        - contents:
          - '#!/bin/sh'
          - exit 101
        # do not touch if already exists
        - replace: False
        - prereq:
          - pkg: Upgrade Salt Minion

    {%- endif %}

    Upgrade Salt Minion:
      pkg.installed:
        - name: salt-minion
        - version: 2016.11.3{% if grains['os_family'] == 'Debian' %}+ds-1{% endif %}
        - order: last

    Enable Salt Minion:
      service.enabled:
        - name: salt-minion
        - require:
          - pkg: Upgrade Salt Minion

    {%- if grains['os_family'] == 'Debian' %}

    Enable starting services:
      file.absent:
        - name: /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
        - onchanges:
          - pkg: Upgrade Salt Minion

    {%- endif %}

### Restart using states

Now we can apply the workaround to restart the Minion in reliable way. The following example works on UNIX-like operating systems:

    {%- if grains['os'] != 'Windows' %}
    Restart Salt Minion:
      cmd.run:
        - name: 'salt-call service.restart salt-minion'
        - bg: True
        - onchanges:
          - pkg: Upgrade Salt Minion
    {%- endif %}

Note that restarting the `salt-minion` service on Windows operating systems is not always necessary when performing an upgrade. The installer stops the `salt-minion` service, removes it, deletes the contents of the `\salt\bin` directory, installs the new code, re-creates the `salt-minion` service, and starts it (by default). The restart step would be necessary during the upgrade process, however, if the minion config was edited after the upgrade or installation. If a minion restart is necessary, the state above can be edited as follows:

    Restart Salt Minion:
      cmd.run:
    {%- if grains['kernel'] == 'Windows' %}
        - name: 'C:\salt\salt-call.bat service.restart salt-minion'
    {%- else %}
        - name: 'salt-call service.restart salt-minion'
    {%- endif %}
        - bg: True
        - onchanges:
          - pkg: Upgrade Salt Minion

However, it requires more advanced tricks to upgrade from legacy version of Salt (before `2016.3.0`) on UNIX-like operating systems, where executing commands in the background is not supported. You also may need to schedule restarting the Minion service using masterless mode after all other states have been applied for Salt versions earlier than `2016.11.0`. This allows the Minion to keep the connection to the Master alive for being able to report the final results back to the Master, while the service is restarting in the background. This state should run last or watch for the `pkg` state changes:

    Restart Salt Minion:
      cmd.run:
    {%- if grains['kernel'] == 'Windows' %}
        - name: 'start powershell "Restart-Service -Name salt-minion"'
    {%- else %}
        # fork and disown the process
        - name: |-
            exec 0>&- # close stdin
            exec 1>&- # close stdout
            exec 2>&- # close stderr
            nohup salt-call --local service.restart salt-minion &
    {%- endif %}

### Restart using remote executions

Restart the Minion from the command line:

    salt -G kernel:Windows cmd.run_bg 'C:\salt\salt-call.bat service.restart salt-minion'
    salt -C 'not G@kernel:Windows' cmd.run_bg 'salt-call service.restart salt-minion'

### Waiting for minions to come back online

A common issue in performing automated restarts of a salt minion, for example during an orchestration run, is that it will break the orchestration since the next statement is likely to be attempted before the minion is back online. This can be remedied by inserting a blocking waiting state that only returns when the selected minions are back up (note: this will only work in orchestration states since manage.up needs to run on the master):

    Wait for salt minion:
      loop.until_no_eval:
        - name: saltutil.runner
        - expected:
            - my_minion
        - args:
            - manage.up
        - kwargs:
            tgt: my_minion
        - period: 3
        - init_wait: 3

This will, after an initial delay of 3 seconds, execute the manage.up-runner targeted specifically for my_minion. It will do this every period seconds until the expected data is returned. The default timeout is 60s but can be configured as well.

## Salting the Salt Master

In order to configure a master server via states, the Salt master can also be "salted" in order to enforce state on the Salt master as well as the Salt minions. Salting the Salt master requires a Salt minion to be installed on the same machine as the Salt master. Once the Salt minion is installed, the minion configuration file must be pointed to the local Salt master:

    master: 127.0.0.1

Once the Salt master has been "salted" with a Salt minion, it can be targeted just like any other minion. If the minion on the salted master is running, the minion can be targeted via any usual `salt` command. Additionally, the `salt-call` command can execute operations to enforce state on the salted master without requiring the minion to be running.

More information about salting the Salt master can be found in the salt-formula for salt itself:

https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/salt-formula

Restarting the `salt-master` service using execution module or application of state could be done the same way as for the Salt minion described above.

## Is Targeting using Grain Data Secure?

Warning

Grains can be set by users that have access to the minion configuration files on the local system, making them less secure than other identifiers in Salt. Avoid storing sensitive data, such as passwords or keys, on minions. Instead, make use of Storing Static Data in the Pillar and/or Storing Data in Other Databases.

Because grains can be set by users that have access to the minion configuration files on the local system, grains are considered less secure than other identifiers in Salt. Use caution when targeting sensitive operations or setting pillar values based on grain data.

The only grain which can be safely used is `grains['id']` which contains the Minion ID.

When possible, you should target sensitive operations and data using the Minion ID. If the Minion ID of a system changes, the Salt Minion's public key must be re-accepted by an administrator on the Salt Master, making it less vulnerable to impersonation attacks.

## Why Did the Value for a Grain Change on Its Own?

This is usually the result of an upstream change in an OS distribution that replaces or removes something that Salt was using to detect the grain. Fortunately, when this occurs, you can use Salt to fix it with a command similar to the following:

    salt -G 'grain:ChangedValue' grains.setvals "{'grain': 'OldValue'}"

(Replacing grain, ChangedValue, and OldValue with the grain and values that you want to change / set.)

You should also file an issue describing the change so it can be fixed in Salt.